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		<title>By: Top Startup Blogs, All Traffic Does Not Convert the Same, Time Tracking Without Timers, and more&#8230; &#124; Software by Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-42224</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Startup Blogs, All Traffic Does Not Convert the Same, Time Tracking Without Timers, and more&#8230; &#124; Software by Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Traffic Does Not Convert the Same &#8211; Along the lines of my post Nine Levels of Traffic Quality (though he ranks traffic sources in a different order), this is an in-depth look at one [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why You Should Start Marketing the Day You Start Coding &#124; Software by Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-42049</link>
		<dc:creator>Why You Should Start Marketing the Day You Start Coding &#124; Software by Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 04:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] marketing. The first 6 (not required before you read this one) are available here: part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, part [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] marketing. The first 6 (not required before you read this one) are available here: part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, part [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-41149</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me making traffic is hard period, as a web designer I&#039;m no stranger to SEO and I know it&#039;s a whole different ball game, the amount of articles I&#039;ve read on how to gain traffic via social networking etc is ridiculous.

My conversion rate for my current traffic isn&#039;t bad at all (around 1 in 40 sign up), I haven&#039;t made a serious effort as my product is only in it&#039;s initial sign up stage, so I&#039;m hoping when I finally launch I&#039;ll reach a decent amount of traffic that I can then work on the quality of conversion.

Great book by the way, just finished the freebie and I&#039;m going to purchase the full version soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me making traffic is hard period, as a web designer I&#8217;m no stranger to SEO and I know it&#8217;s a whole different ball game, the amount of articles I&#8217;ve read on how to gain traffic via social networking etc is ridiculous.</p>
<p>My conversion rate for my current traffic isn&#8217;t bad at all (around 1 in 40 sign up), I haven&#8217;t made a serious effort as my product is only in it&#8217;s initial sign up stage, so I&#8217;m hoping when I finally launch I&#8217;ll reach a decent amount of traffic that I can then work on the quality of conversion.</p>
<p>Great book by the way, just finished the freebie and I&#8217;m going to purchase the full version soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Why Free Plans Don&#8217;t Work &#124; Software by Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-40688</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Free Plans Don&#8217;t Work &#124; Software by Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The numbers looked but great, but I suspected they weren&#8217;t sustainable because I had launched to my mailing list. A well-maintained mailing list tends to convert much better than traffic from other sources. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The numbers looked but great, but I suspected they weren&#8217;t sustainable because I had launched to my mailing list. A well-maintained mailing list tends to convert much better than traffic from other sources. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-36431</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Very interesting post, no. 9 gives way to other PPC &gt;SE&#039;s like Bing and Yahoo?

Having done little advertising on the other PPC networks I would assume they would fall in with #8. But it&#039;s just a guess.

&gt;Also no mention of video? One good video on youtube &gt;can drive huge traffic.

Good point. It actually depends how they find the video. If they find it using the YouTube (or other video website) search mechanism, or through a Google search then traffic would likely fall into 5 or 7, though video has a bit more potential to engage its audience than a standard web page.

But since a lot of YouTube-related traffic winds up being direct, type-in traffic I&#039;m not sure where it performs.

&gt;Also by having a facebook group with active users &gt;about the subject matter/problem/solution etc it can &gt;fall into category 3.5 maybe?

It depends. In my experience most Micropreneur niches do not benefit from having a Facebook group. But if you put one together I would guess it would fall between 2 and 3.

&gt;NO mention of JV&#039;s either although it could be said &gt;that is point 3.

Correct. JV&#039;s are almost always a recommendation from someone who has an audience that trusts them to some degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Very interesting post, no. 9 gives way to other PPC &gt;SE&#8217;s like Bing and Yahoo?</p>
<p>Having done little advertising on the other PPC networks I would assume they would fall in with #8. But it&#8217;s just a guess.</p>
<p>&gt;Also no mention of video? One good video on youtube &gt;can drive huge traffic.</p>
<p>Good point. It actually depends how they find the video. If they find it using the YouTube (or other video website) search mechanism, or through a Google search then traffic would likely fall into 5 or 7, though video has a bit more potential to engage its audience than a standard web page.</p>
<p>But since a lot of YouTube-related traffic winds up being direct, type-in traffic I&#8217;m not sure where it performs.</p>
<p>&gt;Also by having a facebook group with active users &gt;about the subject matter/problem/solution etc it can &gt;fall into category 3.5 maybe?</p>
<p>It depends. In my experience most Micropreneur niches do not benefit from having a Facebook group. But if you put one together I would guess it would fall between 2 and 3.</p>
<p>&gt;NO mention of JV&#8217;s either although it could be said &gt;that is point 3.</p>
<p>Correct. JV&#8217;s are almost always a recommendation from someone who has an audience that trusts them to some degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post, no. 9 gives way to other PPC SE&#039;s like Bing and Yahoo? Also no mention of video? One good video on youtube can drive huge traffic. Also by having a facebook group with active users about the subject matter/problem/solution etc it can fall into category 3.5 maybe? 

NO mention of JV&#039;s either although it could be said that is point 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post, no. 9 gives way to other PPC SE&#8217;s like Bing and Yahoo? Also no mention of video? One good video on youtube can drive huge traffic. Also by having a facebook group with active users about the subject matter/problem/solution etc it can fall into category 3.5 maybe? </p>
<p>NO mention of JV&#8217;s either although it could be said that is point 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-34454</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;While that is true, sometimes with startups you want the traffic. In fact with most startups, without the traffic, people don&#039;t even know you exist. So by getting the attention via TC, they accomplish that.

You&#039;re falling into the &quot;any traffic is good&quot; trap. Startups aren&#039;t here to build a brand - they&#039;re not Proctor and Gamble or Versace...as a startup you&#039;re here to acquire customers, and non-targeted traffic is almost worthless.

If you sell hammers from your website and 10,000 people from TechCrunch visit your site but none of them needs a hammer then this traffic is virtually worthless. Having 10,000 people hear about your startup and then forget about it 3 seconds later (which is what happens) is as good as them never hearing about it.

&gt;I can probably point out quite a few startups that didn&#039;t take advantage of that TC surge

This is because it&#039;s almost impossible to take advantage of TC traffic - this traffic doesn&#039;t convert well and doesn&#039;t click on ads. No amount of optimization is going to make this traffic turn into gold unless your target market is people who are interested in tech startups.

Higher quality, niche traffic is typically 2-10x more profitable than the drive-by traffic you see from TC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>While that is true, sometimes with startups you want the traffic. In fact with most startups, without the traffic, people don&#8217;t even know you exist. So by getting the attention via TC, they accomplish that.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re falling into the &#8220;any traffic is good&#8221; trap. Startups aren&#8217;t here to build a brand &#8211; they&#8217;re not Proctor and Gamble or Versace&#8230;as a startup you&#8217;re here to acquire customers, and non-targeted traffic is almost worthless.</p>
<p>If you sell hammers from your website and 10,000 people from TechCrunch visit your site but none of them needs a hammer then this traffic is virtually worthless. Having 10,000 people hear about your startup and then forget about it 3 seconds later (which is what happens) is as good as them never hearing about it.</p>
<p>>I can probably point out quite a few startups that didn&#8217;t take advantage of that TC surge</p>
<p>This is because it&#8217;s almost impossible to take advantage of TC traffic &#8211; this traffic doesn&#8217;t convert well and doesn&#8217;t click on ads. No amount of optimization is going to make this traffic turn into gold unless your target market is people who are interested in tech startups.</p>
<p>Higher quality, niche traffic is typically 2-10x more profitable than the drive-by traffic you see from TC.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I found Google AdWords traffic at #8 interesting. Is it so low because it&#039;s advertising?

Yes. AdWords are a difficult one to place on this list. For some of my websites it falls as #5, for some it falls at #8. In either case, it&#039;s low because it&#039;s not a trusted source for most people - no one is speaking on your behalf like they tend to be with a link from a referring website.

When people realize it&#039;s advertising (some people know AdWords are advertising, others don&#039;t), you don&#039;t have as much credibility as when someone is vouching for your product or service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I found Google AdWords traffic at #8 interesting. Is it so low because it&#8217;s advertising?</p>
<p>Yes. AdWords are a difficult one to place on this list. For some of my websites it falls as #5, for some it falls at #8. In either case, it&#8217;s low because it&#8217;s not a trusted source for most people &#8211; no one is speaking on your behalf like they tend to be with a link from a referring website.</p>
<p>When people realize it&#8217;s advertising (some people know AdWords are advertising, others don&#8217;t), you don&#8217;t have as much credibility as when someone is vouching for your product or service.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Dixon</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-34426</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#2 Rob - 
&gt;I disagree. The purpose of traffic is to convert into &gt;customers or provide SEO benefit. 

While that is true, sometimes with startups you want the traffic. In fact with most startups, without the traffic, people don&#039;t even know you exist. So by getting the attention via TC, they accomplish that. 

Now the sad thing is that the startups usually don&#039;t figure out that they need to convert those people until it&#039;s too late. In fact I can probably point out quite a few startups that didn&#039;t take advantage of that TC surge. I know of some personally where I helped to get that TC surge and the company went flat because they didn&#039;t know the gift I gave them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#2 Rob &#8211;<br />
&gt;I disagree. The purpose of traffic is to convert into &gt;customers or provide SEO benefit. </p>
<p>While that is true, sometimes with startups you want the traffic. In fact with most startups, without the traffic, people don&#8217;t even know you exist. So by getting the attention via TC, they accomplish that. </p>
<p>Now the sad thing is that the startups usually don&#8217;t figure out that they need to convert those people until it&#8217;s too late. In fact I can probably point out quite a few startups that didn&#8217;t take advantage of that TC surge. I know of some personally where I helped to get that TC surge and the company went flat because they didn&#8217;t know the gift I gave them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Rob! 

So it seems as though after #5, you&#039;re dealing with people that haven&#039;t heard of your site/app before. That completely makes sense to me. I found Google AdWords traffic at #8 interesting. Is it so low because it&#039;s advertising? Targeted advertising, but advertising nonetheless I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Rob! </p>
<p>So it seems as though after #5, you&#8217;re dealing with people that haven&#8217;t heard of your site/app before. That completely makes sense to me. I found Google AdWords traffic at #8 interesting. Is it so low because it&#8217;s advertising? Targeted advertising, but advertising nonetheless I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: 0% is a conversion rate too &#171; the goose</title>
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		<dc:creator>0% is a conversion rate too &#171; the goose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a conversion rate&#160;too   If we can just get 1% of our visitors to convert  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-34366</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To optimise conversions you should employ a web analytics provider such as clicktale to show you how your customers enagage eith your site. From the results fo the aggregate behaviours, real time videos and heatmaps you can mend any deficiencies and make it easier for visitors to your site to become buyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To optimise conversions you should employ a web analytics provider such as clicktale to show you how your customers enagage eith your site. From the results fo the aggregate behaviours, real time videos and heatmaps you can mend any deficiencies and make it easier for visitors to your site to become buyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-34359</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;It does serve it&#039;s purpose, as limited as that might be

I disagree. The purpose of traffic is to convert into customers or provide SEO benefit. TC provides some SEO benefit, but it&#039;s not the golden ticket many people make it out to be in terms of bringing people who convert to customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>It does serve it&#8217;s purpose, as limited as that might be</p>
<p>I disagree. The purpose of traffic is to convert into customers or provide SEO benefit. TC provides some SEO benefit, but it&#8217;s not the golden ticket many people make it out to be in terms of bringing people who convert to customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Dixon</title>
		<link>http://www.softwarebyrob.com/2010/01/12/startup-marketing-mistake-ignoring-traffic-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-34356</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While true, TechCrunch traffic is usually junk traffic; depeding, it amuses me to see how excited people get to be written about on TechCrunch. 

Now while the above is true, it does provide your site with a ton of traffic, even if your startup is the biggest head scratching company ever conceived. It does serve it&#039;s purpose, as limited as that might be; oh and it&#039;s made the owner of TC a very nice income. 

What are your thoughts about testing such a list of 9 items you listed above? Do you think a site like http://www.performable.com could help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While true, TechCrunch traffic is usually junk traffic; depeding, it amuses me to see how excited people get to be written about on TechCrunch. </p>
<p>Now while the above is true, it does provide your site with a ton of traffic, even if your startup is the biggest head scratching company ever conceived. It does serve it&#8217;s purpose, as limited as that might be; oh and it&#8217;s made the owner of TC a very nice income. </p>
<p>What are your thoughts about testing such a list of 9 items you listed above? Do you think a site like <a href="http://www.performable.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.performable.com</a> could help?</p>
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